Ingen rättvisa 10 år efter Tak Bai.

gäst
25 okt. 2014#1

Hej

 

Human Right Watch kräver att dom poliser och militärer som bär ansvaret för att 7+78 protesterande dödades i Tak Bai 25 okt 2004, samt att militären som höll 1200 personer fångna utan tillgång på läkare vilket fick till följd att många senare tvingades amputera skadade kroppsdelar ställs till svars för sina handlingar.

 

Redan 17 Dec 2004 tillsatte den dåvarande regeringen en utredning som kom fram till att det var felaktigt att skjuta rakt in i folkmassan och att lasta dom gripna på ett sådant sätt att folk dog, tre militära befäl utpekades som ansvariga för dom misslyckade militära operationerna, men ännu har ingen straffats för detta.

 

Nu kräver ånyo HRW att rättvisa skipas i dessa fall och framför kraven till juntaledaren Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha som ofta har framfört till Människorätta organisationer och journalister att allmänheten inte ska påminnas om händelserna i Tak Bai, så att han kommer att agera i detta ärende är inte troligt.

 

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No justice 10 years after Tak Bai killings

Submitted by kongpob on Sat, 25/10/2014 - 10:35

Human Rights Watch

 

(New York, October 25, 2014) – The Thai government has yet to bring to justice police and military personnel responsible for the deaths of scores of protesters in Tak Bai in southern Thailand in 2004, Human Rights Watch said today.

 

On October 25, 2004, army and police units fired on ethnic Malay Muslim protesters in the Tak Bai district of Narathiwat province, killing seven. Another 78 protesters suffocated or were crushed to death while being transported to an army camp in Pattani province. The military detained more than 1,200 people for several days without appropriate medical attention, and a number of severely injured protesters lost their limbs. In August 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that security personnel were blameless because they had only been performing their duties.

 

“Thailand’s failure to prosecute security personnel responsible for the Tak Bai killings is a glaring injustice that brings the police, military, and courts into disrepute,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The Thai authorities’ failure to deliver justice to southern Muslims has fueled conditions for the insurgency in the deep south.”

 

On December 17, 2004, a fact-finding committee appointed by the then-government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra concluded that the methods used in dispersing the protesters – including firing live ammunition and deploying army conscripts and rangers inexperienced in dispersing protesters – were inappropriate and not in conformity with established international guidelines and practices. The committee also found that commanding officers failed to supervise the transportation of protesters in custody, leaving the task to be performed by inexperienced, low-ranking personnel. The inquiry identified three senior army officers as having failed to properly monitor and supervise the military’s operations, leading to the deaths and injuries of protesters.

 

Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha has said that military-imposed government will resume dialogues with separatist groups, but he has not addressed abuses against ethnic Malay Muslims. While he was army commander-in-chief, Prayuth often told human rights activists and journalists that the Thai public should not be reminded about the Tak Bai killings.

 

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Tamdai
25 okt. 2014#2

Hej

 

Human Right Watch kräver att dom poliser och militärer som bär ansvaret för att 7+78 protesterande dödades i Tak Bai 25 okt 2004, samt att militären som höll 1200 personer fångna utan tillgång på läkare vilket fick till följd att många senare tvingades amputera skadade kroppsdelar ställs till svars för sina handlingar.

 

Redan 17 Dec 2004 tillsatte den dåvarande regeringen en utredning som kom fram till att det var felaktigt att skjuta rakt in i folkmassan och att lasta dom gripna på ett sådant sätt att folk dog, tre militära befäl utpekades som ansvariga för dom misslyckade militära operationerna, men ännu har ingen straffats för detta.

 

Nu kräver ånyo HRW att rättvisa skipas i dessa fall och framför kraven till juntaledaren Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha som ofta har framfört till Människorätta organisationer och journalister att allmänheten inte ska påminnas om händelserna i Tak Bai, så att han kommer att agera i detta ärende är inte troligt.

 

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4442?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+prachataienglish+%28Prachatai+in+English%29

No justice 10 years after Tak Bai killings

Submitted by kongpob on Sat, 25/10/2014 - 10:35

Human Rights Watch

 

(New York, October 25, 2014) – The Thai government has yet to bring to justice police and military personnel responsible for the deaths of scores of protesters in Tak Bai in southern Thailand in 2004, Human Rights Watch said today.

 

On October 25, 2004, army and police units fired on ethnic Malay Muslim protesters in the Tak Bai district of Narathiwat province, killing seven. Another 78 protesters suffocated or were crushed to death while being transported to an army camp in Pattani province. The military detained more than 1,200 people for several days without appropriate medical attention, and a number of severely injured protesters lost their limbs. In August 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that security personnel were blameless because they had only been performing their duties.

 

“Thailand’s failure to prosecute security personnel responsible for the Tak Bai killings is a glaring injustice that brings the police, military, and courts into disrepute,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The Thai authorities’ failure to deliver justice to southern Muslims has fueled conditions for the insurgency in the deep south.”

 

On December 17, 2004, a fact-finding committee appointed by the then-government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra concluded that the methods used in dispersing the protesters – including firing live ammunition and deploying army conscripts and rangers inexperienced in dispersing protesters – were inappropriate and not in conformity with established international guidelines and practices. The committee also found that commanding officers failed to supervise the transportation of protesters in custody, leaving the task to be performed by inexperienced, low-ranking personnel. The inquiry identified three senior army officers as having failed to properly monitor and supervise the military’s operations, leading to the deaths and injuries of protesters.

 

Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha has said that military-imposed government will resume dialogues with separatist groups, but he has not addressed abuses against ethnic Malay Muslims. While he was army commander-in-chief, Prayuth often told human rights activists and journalists that the Thai public should not be reminded about the Tak Bai killings.

 

Med vänlig hälsning isan lover

 

Jaha, men nu får du väl ge dig, den beodrades och försvarades av din husgud Thaksin.

Nu låter du som att några andra är skyldiga, Juntan antar jag, men du var det inte så att de hade ätet och druckit för lite, allt enligt en viss herr Thaksin.

 

Hur orkar du ljuga så enormt för dig själv, ingen annan går ju på det.

 

Tar väl inte så många dagar innan du hävdar att juntan är ansvarig för WOD också, låt oss vänta och se.

Sam sip sam
Badvakt
25 okt. 2014#3

Bara terroriserande mussar så ingen större skada,

mrco
25 okt. 2014#4

Bara terroriserande mussar så ingen större skada,

 

Du visar verkligen vilken idi*t du är med dina inlägg.

 

// mrco

pigge01
Resenär
25 okt. 2014#5

Hej

 

Human Right Watch kräver att dom poliser och militärer som bär ansvaret för att 7+78 protesterande dödades i Tak Bai 25 okt 2004, samt att militären som höll 1200 personer fångna utan tillgång på läkare vilket fick till följd att många senare tvingades amputera skadade kroppsdelar ställs till svars för sina handlingar.

 

Redan 17 Dec 2004 tillsatte den dåvarande regeringen en utredning som kom fram till att det var felaktigt att skjuta rakt in i folkmassan och att lasta dom gripna på ett sådant sätt att folk dog, tre militära befäl utpekades som ansvariga för dom misslyckade militära operationerna, men ännu har ingen straffats för detta.

 

Nu kräver ånyo HRW att rättvisa skipas i dessa fall och framför kraven till juntaledaren Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha som ofta har framfört till Människorätta organisationer och journalister att allmänheten inte ska påminnas om händelserna i Tak Bai, så att han kommer att agera i detta ärende är inte troligt.

 

http://prachatai.org/english/node/4442?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+prachataienglish+(Prachatai+in+English)

[size=6]No justice 10 years after Tak Bai killings[/size]

Submitted by kongpob on Sat, 25/10/2014 - 10:35

Human Rights Watch

 

(New York, October 25, 2014) – The Thai government has yet to bring to justice police and military personnel responsible for the deaths of scores of protesters in Tak Bai in southern Thailand in 2004, Human Rights Watch said today.

 

On October 25, 2004, army and police units fired on ethnic Malay Muslim protesters in the Tak Bai district of Narathiwat province, killing seven. Another 78 protesters suffocated or were crushed to death while being transported to an army camp in Pattani province. The military detained more than 1,200 people for several days without appropriate medical attention, and a number of severely injured protesters lost their limbs. In August 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that security personnel were blameless because they had only been performing their duties.

 

“Thailand’s failure to prosecute security personnel responsible for the Tak Bai killings is a glaring injustice that brings the police, military, and courts into disrepute,” said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The Thai authorities’ failure to deliver justice to southern Muslims has fueled conditions for the insurgency in the deep south.”

 

On December 17, 2004, a fact-finding committee appointed by the then-government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra concluded that the methods used in dispersing the protesters – including firing live ammunition and deploying army conscripts and rangers inexperienced in dispersing protesters – were inappropriate and not in conformity with established international guidelines and practices. The committee also found that commanding officers failed to supervise the transportation of protesters in custody, leaving the task to be performed by inexperienced, low-ranking personnel. The inquiry identified three senior army officers as having failed to properly monitor and supervise the military’s operations, leading to the deaths and injuries of protesters.

 

Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha has said that military-imposed government will resume dialogues with separatist groups, but he has not addressed abuses against ethnic Malay Muslims. While he was army commander-in-chief, Prayuth often told human rights activists and journalists that the Thai public should not be reminded about the Tak Bai killings.

 

Med vänlig hälsning isan lover

Det är bara att ställa dåvarande premiärminister in för rätta!

För anstiftande och medhjälp i detta!

Hälsar pigge01

Sam sip sam
Badvakt
25 okt. 2014#6

Du VISAR Verkligen vilken idi * t Du är Med Dina inlägg.

// Mrco

Ja dom Har ju genererat 50 401 karma i dagsläget, Hur manga Har herr Einstein (mrco) Fatt ihop Nämnden Sina Kloka inlägg about försvarandet AV terrorister

Sam sip sam
Badvakt
25 okt. 2014#7

Det är bara att ställa dåvarande premiärminister in för rätta!

För anstiftande och medhjälp i detta!

Hälsar pigge01

Njae en guldklocka borde han fått tycker jag

pigge01
Resenär
25 okt. 2014#8

Njae en guldklocka borde han fått tycker jag

 

Den kan han köpa själva

För flokets pengar som han tagit

Sam sip sam
Badvakt
25 okt. 2014#9

Den kan han köpa själva

För flokets pengar som han tagit

En tapperhetsmedalj borde han få
gäst
26 okt. 2014#10

Det är bara att ställa dåvarande premiärminister in för rätta!

För anstiftande och medhjälp i detta!

Hälsar pigge01

Hej

 

Det är det nog ett gäng gula medlemmar som skulle vilja se, men läser man HRW,s krav så är det att dom poliser och militärer som ligger bakom dödsfallen och den inhumana behandlingen av dom tillfångatagna ska ställas inför rätta och straffas, jag utläste inga som helst krav ifrån HRW om att ex.vis Thaksin skulle straffas för att han råkade vara PM när militären begick dessa illdåd.

 

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MaiChai
26 okt. 2014#11

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/03/19/it-was-suddenly-my-son-no-longer-existed

 

Thaksin har givetvis ett stort ansvar för den situation som han med sin regering skapade i södra Thailand. 

 

 

A new and counterproductive approach by the Thaksin government

When Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra took office in February 2001, the government treated ethnic Malay Muslim separatist groups as a spent force. It attributed the small number of shootings, acts of arson, bombings, and raids on government arsenals in the southern border provinces to banditry or turf wars between criminal gangs, or to influential people with vested interests in creating instability and undermining the government's credibility.[17]

It was this assessment, and a desire to put his own people in place-particularly by enhancing the role of the police (Thaksin is a former police official) at the expense of the army-that led Thaksin to dissolve SBPAC and CPM 43 in 2002. The leading role and authority that the army had in managing the southern border provinces was transferred to the police. The special security policy, which reflected the region's unique characteristics, was discontinued. At the same time, major changes in personnel and the transfer of most authority from the army to the police resulted in the politicization of security policy and the weakening of intelligence gathering and analysis regarding the identity of separatist groups, as well as the scale and trajectory of their violence. 

Thai security personnel told Human Rights Watch that these changes fed a sense of resentment among the local population. This was partially fuelled by greater corruption and other abuses by government officials, particularly after the government launched a nationwide anti-drug campaign that quickly evolved into a violent and murderous "war on drugs" in 2003.[18]Prime Minister Thaksin's Order 29/2546, signed on January 28, 2003, called for the absolute suppression of drug trafficking by stating that, "if a person is charged with a drug offense, that person will be regarded as a dangerous person who is threatening social and national security."[19] In the ensuing weeks, the government gave governors and police chiefs in each province targets for the number of arrests of suspected drug traffickers and the seizures of narcotics. Countrywide between February and May 2003, 2,598 alleged drug offenders were shot dead in apparent extrajudicial killings;[20] many of these killings appeared to be based on "blacklists" prepared by police and local government agencies. Particularly in the more lawless south these lists were used by police and local authorities to settle local disputes and, at the same time, score political points with the government.[21] As blacklisted suspects had no mechanism by which to challenge their inclusion on a list, and with the increasingly intensified climate of fear, many ethnic Malay Muslim villagers turned to separatist insurgents to seek protection from imminent threats of blacklisting, arbitrary arrest, "disappearance," and extrajudicial killing.[22]

A member of the National Revolution Front-Coordinate (BRN-C), which created a loose network of insurgent cells across the southern border provinces in the late 1990s and has become the driving force behind recent attacks, told Human Rights Watch that Thaksin's "war on drugs" gave them a much needed impetus to start a new wave of insurgency: 

There was a period of about seven to eight years of quietness, but that did not mean our movement had given up. Thai authorities thought they had succeeded in pacifying the situation. For us, it was a period of recuperating. After the government launched anti-drug campaigns, villagers were deeply in fear. Out of resentment towards Thai authorities, those villagers were desperate and requested us to give them protection. We gave them training in military and self-defense tactics, in parallel with political indoctrination about the struggle for independence. This is how we reestablished control of the population and stepped up attacks on the government. We truly believe in our cause-that we are fighting to liberate our land and protecting our people from the oppressive Thai authorities.

Statistics provided by the Ninth Region Police, responsible for the southern border provinces, show a significant increase in violence-with 50 insurgent-related incidents in 2001, 75 in 2002 and 119 in 2003.[24]But Thaksin still firmly dismissed any suggestion that the armed struggle for ethnic Malay Muslim independence might have been reactivated.

gäst
26 okt. 2014#12

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2007/03/19/it-was-suddenly-my-son-no-longer-existed

 

Thaksin har givetvis ett stort ansvar för den situation som han med sin regering skapade i södra Thailand. 

 

 

A new and counterproductive approach by the Thaksin government

When Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra took office in February 2001, the government treated ethnic Malay Muslim separatist groups as a spent force. It attributed the small number of shootings, acts of arson, bombings, and raids on government arsenals in the southern border provinces to banditry or turf wars between criminal gangs, or to influential people with vested interests in creating instability and undermining the government's credibility.[17]

It was this assessment, and a desire to put his own people in place-particularly by enhancing the role of the police (Thaksin is a former police official) at the expense of the army-that led Thaksin to dissolve SBPAC and CPM 43 in 2002. The leading role and authority that the army had in managing the southern border provinces was transferred to the police. The special security policy, which reflected the region's unique characteristics, was discontinued. At the same time, major changes in personnel and the transfer of most authority from the army to the police resulted in the politicization of security policy and the weakening of intelligence gathering and analysis regarding the identity of separatist groups, as well as the scale and trajectory of their violence. 

Thai security personnel told Human Rights Watch that these changes fed a sense of resentment among the local population. This was partially fuelled by greater corruption and other abuses by government officials, particularly after the government launched a nationwide anti-drug campaign that quickly evolved into a violent and murderous "war on drugs" in 2003.[18]Prime Minister Thaksin's Order 29/2546, signed on January 28, 2003, called for the absolute suppression of drug trafficking by stating that, "if a person is charged with a drug offense, that person will be regarded as a dangerous person who is threatening social and national security."[19] In the ensuing weeks, the government gave governors and police chiefs in each province targets for the number of arrests of suspected drug traffickers and the seizures of narcotics. Countrywide between February and May 2003, 2,598 alleged drug offenders were shot dead in apparent extrajudicial killings;[20] many of these killings appeared to be based on "blacklists" prepared by police and local government agencies. Particularly in the more lawless south these lists were used by police and local authorities to settle local disputes and, at the same time, score political points with the government.[21] As blacklisted suspects had no mechanism by which to challenge their inclusion on a list, and with the increasingly intensified climate of fear, many ethnic Malay Muslim villagers turned to separatist insurgents to seek protection from imminent threats of blacklisting, arbitrary arrest, "disappearance," and extrajudicial killing.[22]

A member of the National Revolution Front-Coordinate (BRN-C), which created a loose network of insurgent cells across the southern border provinces in the late 1990s and has become the driving force behind recent attacks, told Human Rights Watch that Thaksin's "war on drugs" gave them a much needed impetus to start a new wave of insurgency: 

There was a period of about seven to eight years of quietness, but that did not mean our movement had given up. Thai authorities thought they had succeeded in pacifying the situation. For us, it was a period of recuperating. After the government launched anti-drug campaigns, villagers were deeply in fear. Out of resentment towards Thai authorities, those villagers were desperate and requested us to give them protection. We gave them training in military and self-defense tactics, in parallel with political indoctrination about the struggle for independence. This is how we reestablished control of the population and stepped up attacks on the government. We truly believe in our cause-that we are fighting to liberate our land and protecting our people from the oppressive Thai authorities.

Statistics provided by the Ninth Region Police, responsible for the southern border provinces, show a significant increase in violence-with 50 insurgent-related incidents in 2001, 75 in 2002 and 119 in 2003.[24]But Thaksin still firmly dismissed any suggestion that the armed struggle for ethnic Malay Muslim independence might have been reactivated.

Hej

 

Detta var ett gammalt uttalande ifrån 2007, självklart riktar HRW sina krav och framför sin kritik mot landets ledare, precis som nu när det är Juntaledaren som får ta emot kraven ifrån HRW på att dom ansvariga poliser och militärerna för Tak Bai ställs till svars för sina handlingar.

 

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janne_h
26 okt. 2014#13

Hej

Detta var ett gammalt uttalande ifrån 2007, självklart riktar HRW sina krav och framför sin kritik mot landets ledare, precis som nu när det är Juntaledaren som får ta emot kraven ifrån HRW på att dom ansvariga poliser och militärerna för Tak Bai ställs till svars för sina handlingar.

Med vänlig hälsning isan lover

Man kan ju fråga sig om det är som du säger att ansvaret för till exempel WOD eller Tak Bai ligger på lägre nivå. Varför Thaksin svarade FN med orden "UN is not my father".

Det hade väl varit enklare att förklara som det var. Att FN fick helt enkelt adressera kritiken till dom polis och militära officerare som var ansvarig. För landets ledning hade inget ansvar i detta. Eller hade dom det?

gäst
26 okt. 2014#14

Man kan ju fråga sig om det är som du säger att ansvaret för till exempel WOD eller Tak Bai ligger på lägre nivå. Varför Thaksin svarade FN med orden "UN is not my father".

Det hade väl varit enklare att förklara som det var. Att FN fick helt enkelt adressera kritiken till dom polis och militära officerare som var ansvarig. För landets ledning hade inget ansvar i detta. Eller hade dom det?

Hej

 

Enligt uppgifter i Prachatai uppmärksammar HRW nu efter 10 år efter tragedin i Tak Bai och konstaterar att inget har hänt i ärendet under dom 10 år som har gått.

 

HRW kräver ånyo att dom poliser, militärer och militära befäl på plats som är ansvariga för dessa brott och inhumana behandling av dom gripna ställs till svars för sina handlingar, sina krav och sin kritik framför HRW till den man som nu leder Thailand, Juntaledaren General Prayuth.

 

Det är bra att HRW inte glömmer denna händelse fortsätter kräva att rättvisa skipas, men det är föga troligt att juntaledaren lyssnar och gör något i ärendet eftersom han istället uppmanar inhemsk press och människorätts aktivister att inte ta upp Tak Bai eftersom han inte vill att befolkningen ska påminnas om detta.

 

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turisten
26 okt. 2014#15

Hej

 

Det är det nog ett gäng gula medlemmar som skulle vilja se, men läser man HRW,s krav så är det att dom poliser och militärer som ligger bakom dödsfallen och den inhumana behandlingen av dom tillfångatagna ska ställas inför rätta och straffas, jag utläste inga som helst krav ifrån HRW om att ex.vis Thaksin skulle straffas för att han råkade vara PM när militären begick dessa illdåd.

 

Med vänlig hälsning isan lover

Lite synd om honom att han "råkade" vara premiärminister just då. Dessutom "råkade" han ju hävda att allt hade gått rätt till, så det fanns ju ingen anledning att straffa någon. 

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