Landet med två konstitutioner?

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11 apr. 2017#1

Hej

En märklig situation har uppstått i Thailand som nu kan sägas ha två konstitutioner samtidigt eftersom den nya militära konstitutionen undertecknades av kungen och trädde i kraft nyligen, men juntan verkar vägra att låta denna ta över och säger sig fortsätta regera med hjälp av den så hårt kritiserade Artikel 44, som ger militären polisiära befogenheter, ger militären rätt att gripa och föra bort vem dom vill utan beslut ifrån åklagare, dömma civila i militärdomstolar o.s.v, det innebär väl också att folksamlingar, möten och politiska diskussioner även fortsättningsvis lär bli förbjudna även om dom är godkända och lagliga enligt konstitutionen.

 

S44 sparks fears of '2-charter state'

11 Apr 2017 at 04:00 

 

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The retention of Section 44 powers and junta announcements gives the impression of a two-constitution state, according to participants at a Chulalongkorn University.

 

The government insists Section 44 powers must be retained and some of the orders could be made into law despite criticism this could lead to a "two-charter state" after the new constitution was promulgated y His Majesty the King last week. 

 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1230512/s44-sparks-fears-of-2-charter-state

 

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12 apr. 2017#2

Hej

Även The Nation har en artikel där dom uppmärksammar den märkliga situation som kommer att innebära att landet kan sägas ha två,konstitutioner samtidigt dom närmaste 1.5 åren i.om att den nya militära konstitutionen nu har trätt i kraft men att juntan kommer att fortsätta styra landet med hjälp av den så hårt kritiserade Artikel 44.

 

Själv får jag ju tanken att detta botde kunna leda till att man skulle kunna anmäla juntan för LM-brott om dom vägrar följa den av kungens nyligen utfärdade och undertecknade konstitutionen? 

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30311777

 

A question of two constitutions and power in the countdown to the election next year

April 09, 2017 01:00 
By KASAMAKORN CHANWANPEN

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ARTICLE 265 of the 2017 Constitution, which allows the junta to retain its absolute powers authorised by the now obsolete interim charter of 2014, is just dampening the newly promulgated charter – at least in the next one and a half years until a new government takes office.

The stipulation creates duality of supreme laws, meaning the country is currently under the rule of at least two constitutions that are the newly promulgated charter and the interim charter of 2014.

The clause, which allows the use of Article 44 under the interim charter, has been contentious since the charter was publicised last year.

Nitirat, a group of law academics mostly from Thammasat University, had said in its statement against the draft charter during the referendum campaign last year that the licence to absolute power undermined all essential principles in the charter, especially the chapter on rights and liberties.

With such power, Nitirat said the ruling National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) junta could still maintain its capability to infringe on the people’s rights. And people who suffered this would not be able to take legal action against the violation because the constitution legalised all actions brought under the absolute power.

Worst-case scenarios pointed out by some Nitirat academics included postponement of an election using the capacity of Article 44.

However, Constitution Drafting Commission (CDC) chairman Meechai Ruchupan responded to the concern about Article 265 in the provisional clause as a means for the junta to retain power. He said it was necessary, as it would be impossible for the NCPO to rule until the next government took office without that power.

Accordingly, it could be said that the country has now remained under authoritarian rule although many people might mistake promulgation of the new charter as a faint sign that democratic rule would resume.

This is not to mention the fact that the provision clauses in the new charter also pave the way for a |five-year transitional period that will keep the coup-maker’s legacy alive for the next 20 years.

The provision clauses authorise the junta-appointed Senate to also play a significant role in determining the prime minister/s in the first five years after the election. But given each government has a tenure of four years, the stipulated number of five years means that the Senate could partly determine prime ministers for the next eight years – or two government tenures.

For another, the new charter prescribes a strict rule that future elected governments must follow the reform and national strategies initiated by the coup-makers. Failing to do so may cost their legitimacy in office as the junta-appointed Senate is also authorised to hold that government accountable in this matter.

Despite such questionable rules, the elected government might as well forget about amending the canon to turn everything around because the junta-appointed charter drafters also ensured that the amendment could not be done easily.

It would also take one third of the Senate to approve the amendment both in the first and the last readings in addition to having approval from at least 20 per cent of MPs of every opposition party in the Parliament.

 

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gäst
13 apr. 2017#3

Hej

I dagens Bangkok Post försöker militären förklara och uppger skäl till varför dom vill fortsätta använda sig av Atikel 44 trots att en ny konstitution redan är på plats.

 

Army insists Section 44 is 'vital for security'

Anti-govt elements still stirring mischief

13 Apr 2017 at 04:00 

 

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Army commander Chalermchai Sittisat, who previously pledge 'No more coups' is seen saluting troops during his takeover ceremony last Sept 30. (Reuters photo) 
 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1231836/army-insists-section-44-is-vital-for-security

 

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UglyFarang
15 apr. 2017#4
On 2017-04-12 at 05:30, skrev Isan Lover:

Hej

Även The Nation har en artikel där dom uppmärksammar den märkliga situation som kommer att innebära att landet kan sägas ha två,konstitutioner samtidigt dom närmaste 1.5 åren i.om att den nya militära konstitutionen nu har trätt i kraft men att juntan kommer att fortsätta styra landet med hjälp av den så hårt kritiserade Artikel 44.

 

Själv får jag ju tanken att detta botde kunna leda till att man skulle kunna anmäla juntan för LM-brott om dom vägrar följa den av kungens nyligen utfärdade och undertecknade konstitutionen? 

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30311777

 

A question of two constitutions and power in the countdown to the election next year

April 09, 2017 01:00 
By KASAMAKORN CHANWANPEN

IMG_1565.thumb.JPG.2b91332fdf6fcf12b120d1b4fb5e8f20.JPG

ARTICLE 265 of the 2017 Constitution, which allows the junta to retain its absolute powers authorised by the now obsolete interim charter of 2014, is just dampening the newly promulgated charter – at least in the next one and a half years until a new government takes office.

The stipulation creates duality of supreme laws, meaning the country is currently under the rule of at least two constitutions that are the newly promulgated charter and the interim charter of 2014.

The clause, which allows the use of Article 44 under the interim charter, has been contentious since the charter was publicised last year.

Nitirat, a group of law academics mostly from Thammasat University, had said in its statement against the draft charter during the referendum campaign last year that the licence to absolute power undermined all essential principles in the charter, especially the chapter on rights and liberties.

With such power, Nitirat said the ruling National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) junta could still maintain its capability to infringe on the people’s rights. And people who suffered this would not be able to take legal action against the violation because the constitution legalised all actions brought under the absolute power.

Worst-case scenarios pointed out by some Nitirat academics included postponement of an election using the capacity of Article 44.

However, Constitution Drafting Commission (CDC) chairman Meechai Ruchupan responded to the concern about Article 265 in the provisional clause as a means for the junta to retain power. He said it was necessary, as it would be impossible for the NCPO to rule until the next government took office without that power.

Accordingly, it could be said that the country has now remained under authoritarian rule although many people might mistake promulgation of the new charter as a faint sign that democratic rule would resume.

This is not to mention the fact that the provision clauses in the new charter also pave the way for a |five-year transitional period that will keep the coup-maker’s legacy alive for the next 20 years.

The provision clauses authorise the junta-appointed Senate to also play a significant role in determining the prime minister/s in the first five years after the election. But given each government has a tenure of four years, the stipulated number of five years means that the Senate could partly determine prime ministers for the next eight years – or two government tenures.

For another, the new charter prescribes a strict rule that future elected governments must follow the reform and national strategies initiated by the coup-makers. Failing to do so may cost their legitimacy in office as the junta-appointed Senate is also authorised to hold that government accountable in this matter.

Despite such questionable rules, the elected government might as well forget about amending the canon to turn everything around because the junta-appointed charter drafters also ensured that the amendment could not be done easily.

It would also take one third of the Senate to approve the amendment both in the first and the last readings in addition to having approval from at least 20 per cent of MPs of every opposition party in the Parliament.

 

Mvh isan lover

 

Absolut, prova så får vi se hur det går!

gäst
15 apr. 2017#5
3 timmar sedan, skrev UglyFarang:

 

Absolut, prova så får vi se hur det går!

Hej

Tror inte att en anmälan ifrån en falang skulle tas på allvar, men du får väl hålla med om att juntan måste befinna sig i gränslandet till LM-brott när dom vägrar följa den Konstitution som Kungen signerade och godkände nyligen, så just nu befinner sig Thailand i en märklig situation, man har en nyligen införd konstitution som kungen själv har godkänt, denna struntar juntan i och kör vidare med Artikel 44 som på flera punkter motsätter sig den konstitution som Kuungen godkände?

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UglyFarang
15 apr. 2017#6
15 minuter sedan, skrev Isan Lover:

Hej

Tror inte att en anmälan ifrån en falang skulle tas på allvar, men du får väl hålla med om att juntan måste befinna sig i gränslandet till LM-brott när dom vägrar följa den Konstitution som Kungen signerade och godkände nyligen, så just nu befinner sig Thailand i en märklig situation, man har en nyligen införd konstitution som kungen själv har godkänt, denna struntar juntan i och kör vidare med Artikel 44 som på flera punkter motsätter sig den konstitution som Kuungen godkände?

Mvh isan lover

 

Jag har vissa tvivel på att det skulle kunna bli LM-brott för att någon inte följer en konstitution som kungen signerat.

gäst
16 apr. 2017#7

Hej

I dagens Bangkok Post framförs rädsla för att Artikel 44 kan komma att bli kvar för alltid, , 

 

Section 44 is forever

16 Apr 2017 at 04:25

NEWS | WRITER: ALAN DAWSON 

 

There exists in exceptional Thailand a force so powerful it only can be used for good or for evil. The men (exclusively) who run the country insist the power of Section 44 is (exclusively) designed and used only to produce positive results. Not everyone 

 

This Christmas gift to the nation of Section 44 puts more power in the hands of one man, legally, than any Thai law or decree of the constitutional era. Legally, compared with the tyrant Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat, Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha is the all-time titan of statutory tyranny 

 

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1232958/section-44-is-forever

 

Mvh isan lover

 

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